Dagon
How are you doing this eve? It is such a thrill to talk to a Scream Queen Goddess, Gothic film icon, such as yourself.

Denice Thank you so much. I’m doing well. Dagon I think most of the fans that are going to be coming to my site and reading this are will be used to your Vampire role as Michelle in the Subspecies series… But I don’t think most of your fans realize how much other work you have done like directing, producing, all the soap operas you have been in, Matlock, Northern Exposure, and numerous movies and commercials. I wish I would have seen the Fruit of the Loom underwear commercial but I didn’t get a chance to see that.

Denice
(giggle)

Dagon
How long ago was that?

Denice
Umm, probably about 7 years ago. Pretty much around the time that Subspecies IV came out. Maybe you did see it and just didn’t know.

Dagon
And I just saw the underwear.

Denice
Hummm…I wonder if I’m allowed to put a clip of that on my website. I never thought of that.

Dagon
You know, legally you’re not supposed to. But I’m sure they would enjoy the extra advertisement. Well, legally they can ask you not to do it but usually they don’t care unless someone is making money from it.

Denice
Right, that’s just what I was thinking.

Dagon
Because then you’re really infringing. But luckily, the web is pretty much the wild, wild west as far as all that stuff goes..

Denice
Right.

Dagon I was looking at your photography site; you’ve got some really nice photographs and you are quite a talented photographer. Denice Thank you. Dagon Are there any particular photos that you like. Denice I hate them all. Dagon You hate all the photographs that YOU take? Denice I’m just kidding. No, they’re all cool.

Dagon
(laughter)

Denice
Or they wouldn’t be on the site.

Dagon
Yeah, I know what you mean. Usually it’s the photographs taken of oneself that one does not like.

Denice
Oh. Of Myself…Oh, same thing, I wouldn’t put something on my site I thought looked like Hell.

Dagon
Right.

Denice
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dagon
You do have a nice site, DeniceDuff.com…

Denice
Thank you, you’re very sweet. Yes I do like it. My favorite thing about it is the fans say it’s easy to get around and I like that.

Dagon
Navigation is very important.

Denice
Yeah, it is just real clean. I like your site too, it is so big.
(Polite laughter from both)

Dagon
Only 1500 pages or so, I get about 250,000 hits on average a week and then at Halloween, the month of October I get tens of millions of hits and the server just melts.

Denice
Wow …

Dagon
Just unbelievable. Because I think a lot of people are looking for the classics and how to do makeup and all the other stuff…I don’t know how much you looked at DagonBytes but…

Denice
A bit, it is cool and want to get back to it. It seems you could spend hours on it. But I bought a digital camera three months ago so I’ve kind of made a transition from film to digital and it’s really cool but it’s really time consuming. I’m just always screwed with the photos, like processing them and getting the color right. And I spend ALL my extra time playing in Photoshop.

Dagon
Trust me I know how that is…(amused chuckle)

Denice
I’ve given up my email and my other pleasure browsing of the internet.

Dagon
Yes, I noticed your emails are very, very brief. (lighthearted laugh)

Denice
(nervous laugh) …yeah.

Dagon
But that’s cool too. You get to the point.

Denice
You know I have a daughter and a husband and I do a lot of volunteer work and I do a gazillion other things. Now I shoot digitally and I pretty much shoot clients every day … I’ve constantly got to unload all my gig-cards and clean them up ….ya know…

Dagon
It’s so nice to see pictures immediately, is it not?

Denice
OH … it really is…really, I found that I can get a lot more creative because you can just try different things right there.

Dagon
Right.

Denice
Even with polaroids, they still look different.

Dagon
Yeah.

Denice
You know, it is a different kind of film so you can’t really give the client a fair analogy of what they were going to get.

Dagon
And as soon as I open Photoshop I am there for hours… Once you are in Photoshop it is a universe unto itself.

Denice
I know.

Dagon
I find that I can’t even let a picture go just exactly like it is. You just have to tweak with something.

Denice
I know and even if you just pop up the saturation. Just brighten it a bit and all of the sudden it’s alive. I brighten and although the Photoshop’s new CS2 does it. This new series that I’m doing. I actually un-brightening the ones that’s it’s brightened for me because I’m new to Photoshop CS2. It’s a brand new one. I’ve decided to let it brighten all of them because I like what it does …

Dagon
Right.

Denice
It does more than just brighten it. It does this whole thing which is really cool and it’s working perfect for 70% of the photos but the other 30% I just have to go in there one by one.

Dagon
And then you can get crazy with, ‘I like the hand on this one, and the nose on that one. But you know the photos that I really liked were the pregnancy photos you do.

Denice
Oh, wow, thank you…

Dagon
I thought those were, even though they were all really different, they still had a running theme…aside from the pregnancy thing…ah, I don’t want to say dark …but it’s errrr…I don’t exactly….

Denice
Serenity?

Dagon
Yeah, it’s a mood thing…

Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
I like the black and white. Some of them the saturation is way down but I really like a lot of those and if maybe I could include one of those in here…

Denice
Sure.

Dagon
Do you have the releases for everybody or do they say “Go ahead and put them on your site” ?

Denice
Yeah, no one’s complained, actually I just did a casting director just recently too. I gotta get those up on my site. She actually cast a Disney TV show right now called The Sweet Life.

Dagon
Oh really?

Denice
It’s a kid’s show but I just did her. It was a present for her …and oh she’s just. It’s always nice when their just stunning in the face too…

Dagon
Oh yeah.

Denice
Like she’s just HOT lookin’.

Dagon
(BIG LAUGH)

Denice
And you know, you just can’t go wrong.

Dagon
The camera loves her.

Denice
I know…

Dagon
Well, and the camera loves you too!

Denice
Oh. I have fun with it but I get very uncomfortable in front of the camera. Boy, oh boy…

Dagon
So you actually enjoy being behind the camera rather than being in front of it?

Denice
OOOOHhhhh, my GOD ….. What a friggin’ understatement!

Dagon
I’m a camera whore, myself… (Mischievous laugh)

Denice
(momentary, dumbfounded pause) You’re a …what? … whore??

Dagon
A camera whore.

Denice
But like being in front of it or being behind it?

Dagon
I enjoy both being in front of the camera and behind it, but if someone points a camera at me I jump up on a table and jump up and down, a real ham. You know, just doing crazy stuff.

Denice
I mean. I guess I’m okay in the …like it’s a big party let’s get in a group… you know…but when it’s like my head shots…

Dagon
Right. Those can be nerve-wracking…

Denice
YEAH. I just get like. Yuck! …blaaahhh.

Dagon
“Cause it doesn’t ask for personality really other than a smile and have the tendency to show all the flaws.

Denice
Well yes… and then it’s sooo like, your face …and then it’s like GOD, maybe they can see that my nose was broke. You know, or whatever. When I’m doing headshots I feel like that guy on South Park who whenever he’d see that girl that he liked in that episode he’d throw-up (silly puking noise)

Dagon
(LAUGH) Yeah, so is photography generally what you’re doing now to flex your artistic muscles?

Denice
No, I’m still acting, I’m doing a part in a film where I get to play Florence Henderson’s mom in heaven.

Dagon
Really!

Denice
She’s in this film and it’s sort of a kid’s kind of family film and she goes to heaven and, Elvis is there, it’s quite tongue and cheek, she sees her mom who passed away in 1944 when her mom was in her thirties, it’s a very funny scene. She’s like “but mom, you’re so young, I could be YOUR mom”…and I’m like …”WELL YOU’RE NOT…thank GOD.”

Dagon
Now the Vampire Resurrection movie. I saw adds for Song of the Vampire…??

Denice
Yeah, that’s what it started out as…

Dagon
Oh, okay. So it is the same movie the name was just changed”

Denice
Yes, the same…

Dagon
And how did you like directing?

Denice
OH my God… I love it… I love it… I love it… But of course I hated being distributed by a company that gave me three days to edit it and didn’t do any color correction or masking out of boom mikes. You know… I really got screwed in that end…

Dagon
So it was part of the contract that you had to have it done in three days?

Denice
It’s because the purchase order from Blockbuster came in and I was told I had a month until the shelf date of July 1st. It was around this time where two years ago that they went in to do…’cause we have to put together a rough cut for Blockbusters… So we get that and when they got it and put in the purchase order apparently the checks weren’t going to the editors and sound guys so that they could continue and go back and do all the cleaning up of.

Dagon
Did they use your rough cut?

Denice
Yes.

Dagon
So that’s a rough cut that’s not the finished product…

Denice
Exactly.

Dagon
Oh man that would KILL me.

Denice
It did. I cried. When one of the people who worked for the distributors came by and said, “I have a box for you” and I said ‘Of what?’ and he said “The film” and he shows me three hundred copies of the cover art and the DVD …and I said, “Wait a minute! But we didn’t finish it…” I thought that they had put the correct sound on it because I did a sound track for it. I put it in, started to play it and a couple minutes into it I just started crying.

Dagon
Good God! That is a kick in the head.

Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
I’ve got a rough cut of something that I’m working on too and if anybody were to use that …oh my GOD …
Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
Did you do the cover art for it?

Denice
Pretty much. Yeah. I mean, those are my photos… All the photos in it I did and then I worked with someone at Full Moon to put them together.

Dagon
Because I don’t have the one with you on it.

Denice
From the Blockbuster one with that face. Yeah. I didn’t do that. Blockbuster wanted to do their own and they figured they could put any kind of face on it and people would rent it…

Dagon
I think the copy with you on the cover is far better, I wish I would have got that one instead.

Denice
That is the one the distributors preferred and so did Movie Gallery and Hollywood Video and everybody except Blockbuster…

Dagon
Because you’re the selling point of the whole movie!

Denice
Ahh, well (flattered) I don’t know about that. People just like vampires.

Dagon
Well, I know but still. I mean Denice Duff and you are so visually compelling…OH, now when you were talking about the sound track, a Michael Duff did that? Is that relation to you?

Denice
Yes, that’s my husband.

Dagon
Is it really?

Denice
Yeahhh.

Dagon
Oh wow, that’s pretty cool even the rough soundtrack was great. He’s got a cool website too.

Denice
Yeah …yeah…yeah..

Dagon
Well that’s neat.

Denice
Gimme your email address again …I’m gonna email you a shot that I just did today on the set.

Dagon
It’s on my site, DagonBytes.com.

Denice
OK. Yeah, it is just a still from the film For Heaven’s Sake that I was talking about earlier.

Dagon
The one with Florence?

Denice
Yeah, although I didn’t work with her today, I work with her next week.

Dagon
Well, that’s got to be pretty cool.

Denice
It will be.

Dagon
Wow. Yeah, but I can’t imagine that about that rough cut and there’s nothing you can do about it and it’s all done.

Denice
Oh no. And it’s awful you got to sit and read people’s emails telling you ‘oh, the boom mike is in the shot’ or ‘how come that scene was a different color’.

Dagon
Although, you could say you wanted to start a shot game where every time you see a boom mike, do a shot. (chuckle)

Denice
Yeah, I know.

Dagon
But other than that, I thought some of your acting scenes in it were great. I like better than anything else I’ve seen you do.

Denice
Well, I have to say, it was the most comfortable I have ever been acting because I didn’t care about what I was doing. I was the least nervous of any set because it was my set. I didn’t feel like was I giving the director what he wanted or that the director was second guessing my choices, or maybe people were talking behind me, or whatever. All these little things that squelch your creativity. None of that was there because it was MY set.

Dagon
I thought that was a real interesting choice with the abusive husband and that brought a lot of emotion out of you.

Denice
Yeah, and that whole scene was added. The flashback of her by the window, thinking about that, because none of that was written in there and I just wanted to make it a point. You know, that the woman went through life kind of getting caught up with the same pricks, you know?

Dagon
Oh yeah.

Denice
Not to make too light of it, you know.

Dagon
Oh no, that was the deepest material; I mean that is where the depth came from. Of course the flick has the vampire stuff, but I thought that gave it much more intensity and realism. How did you come across the script?

Denice
Well, originally, it was another script that it turned out that script was already done. It was called The Clown at Midnight. So when this school came to me. This acting school or the film making school came to me to be in a film, it was for a script called ‘The Clown at Midnight’ and I said that I’d rather direct it. I did a little research on the film and it turned out that I had a photography gig. The guy who did the composite for it which is a coincidence. I was giving him these photos from our photo shoot and I told him about this opportunity I had. He says, ‘Oh, I just finished scoring a film called The Clown at Midnight that went to Canada. So I did a little research and looked at the title and it was DONE. And apparently this writer, sold the rights to someone else because the film school let the rights expire and he had it done and this producer at the School didn’t know about that so it wound up being really friggin’ lucky that …

Dagon
They didn’t go ahead and film the whole thing, because that would have been a legal nightmare.

Denice
We only got about two or three weeks into our relationship before I found out that this film was already done. So that’s when she went to this other guy she knew who had done some other films and he was a fan of Subspecies and he wrote this with me in mind.

Dagon
Oh, awesome.

Denice
So, but I wasn’t going to be in The Clown at Midnight but when THIS script turned up I thought well, I guess I’ll try to do both, be in it and direct it.

Dagon
I found that when you’re directing, and you have to get everybody else going, then you have to get the camera and the lights set up and you’re getting everybody else on your page articulating your vision and then have to step in front of the camera and go!

Denice
Yeah!

Dagon
So, doing all that took the pressure off your performance?

Denice
Oh, completely.

Dagon
So you didn’t have any problems changing hats and getting everyone else going and still staying focused?

Denice
No, no. I didn’t. (exhilarated LAUGH) I like being very, very busy.

Dagon
(laugh) Right!

Denice
The whole thing is your baby. I mean, I think if anyone got a taste of directing that’s all they’d want to do.

Dagon
Oh yeah.

Denice
I mean, if you’re like a Bank Teller or if you’re a guitar player, if you get a chance to direct a film you wouldn’t want to do anything else.
(amused laughter)

Dagon
So you and your husband worked on the soundtrack side by side.

Denice
Exactly, we sat down minute by minute and put in all the music scores sounds and just everything, he and I did it together.

Dagon
So you guys didn’t get into any creative clashes.

Denice
We got into a few clashes. He’d do something when I wasn’t there and I’d come back and wouldn’t like it.

Dagon
And he would LOVE it of course.

Denice
So we would just start all over. It’s amazing, it takes like four hours to score like four minutes of film.

Dagon
Oh yeah. Editing is the same way too. Or did you have an editor?

Denice
Well, I didn’t edit it but I had a lot of creative imput. What I did was to have rough cuts Messengered to me and then I would email my notes and I would go over the phone with my editor, because he was too far away. So, that’s kind of how it was done, but I never got all of my notes done, you know, I got a fair amount of them. Most of them. But those finishing touches and little proper transitions; which then I tried to handle with a score. So I thought, well, their not giving me any more edits so we’ll just make a score. We’ll make musical transitions, like really loud bursts.

Dagon
Right.

Denice
Then a soft burst and then let the music trail from scene to scene through the editing and it really worked but unfortunately the seven hours of scoring that we did sat in the film/sound mastering office and was never put onto the film. But it was put on when I did a little screening over by Paramount.

Dagon
Well, you’ll know next time not to send anything off or put a graphic on the bottom DEMO…(chuckle)

Denice
I know, exactly.

Dagon
Do you plan on doing it again?

Denice
Do I? Sure! Yeah, in fact, it’s so cute on this film that I’m working on, the director introduced me to people she says…’She’s also a filmmaker she did Vampire Resurrection”

Dagon
How long did Vampire Resurrection take to film?

Denice
We did a four-week shoot. Which was kinda cushy, so I’m told.

Dagon
Oh wow, that’s pretty quick to shoot a movie.

Denice
Well, this was on film it wasn’t video.

Dagon
OH you did it all on film.

Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
Oh wow, it seems like that would make it tougher.

Denice
Yeah, it does but that’s all I’ve ever done. This film I did today was on HD and I had only done one other film on HD called Dr Rage …or, what’s the other name for it …The Last Patient. It was originally The Last Patient and now it’s Dr. Rage. Otherwise, I’ve never done video before, I’ve only done film, so that’s why I wanted to direct in film too.

Dagon
But you know, I’m sure you are used to the gorilla filming. With Subspecies I and II, it was a breakneck schedule filming the two flicks at once. Everybody had to have his or her shit down. Like a little moving troop that traveled the countryside of Romania and all the planning was done before hand. I don’t know if I’m getting my point across…

Denice
Yeah, I know, it was low budget but they really had a good control on it and it was well planned and they have a nice little film making machine out there in Bucharest…

Dagon
During your time at the old castles and ruins while filming the Subspecies flicks, did you ever have any paranormal experiences there?

Denice
I did have a strange dead smell start to come out of my room from behind the armoire and Melanie Shatner burned sage and we never smelled it again. I also stopped menstruating the full 3 months I was there and I was not pregnant. When I returned to the states my chiropractor said my pineal gland was weak and I need sunlight to stimulate it. (He didn't even know what I was doing for the 3 months, working nights, sleeping days!) So I drove my convertible for a week and all was fixed!

Dagon
Now I read something on your site that you were looking to get an action figure made of “Michelle”.

Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
Did that ever happen?

Denice
Oh, I don’t know. I have all sorts of people who talk about it.

Dagon
You go into Spencer’s or Hot Topic and see stuff for the most obscure things. You would think that Subspecies would have more action figures.

Denice
I know.

Dagon
But what can you do.

Denice
I know, I know. I mean, there is ahhh…What’s his nuts. There is a Radu Action figure.

Dagon
Well then there’s GOT to be a Michelle!

Denice
I know.

Dagon
Radu is nobody without Michelle.

Denice
This is true.

Dagon
I mean, for ME, they are marvelous vampire flicks but what makes them special is the chemistry between you two. Especially in the fourth one because the fourth one wasn’t quite as good except for the scenes between you and Radu were what made it!

Denice
Oh yeah.

Dagon
Do you guys take a lot of takes to get all those scenes.

Denice
Two. Two or three.

Dagon
Two or three of each shot? So you guys were in a groove to the point that Ted Nicolaou (the director) doesn’t make you do it over and over again to get exactly what he wants. He’s pretty much getting what he wants from you on the first couple takes.

Denice
Yeah…yeah, yeah. The only reason you have to keep doing things all over again is for special effects or technical reasons.

Dagon
Right. It wasn’t for performances.

Denice
Yeah in that kind of budget it gets kind of crazy, I mean with HD there’s definitely more takes that are done.

Dagon
Now, when you talk about Anders, it’s almost like, I get the impression and I might be completely wrong, but that you have a love/hate thing going or that you guys are sooo different; you’re friends and all but at the same time you’re very different so…

Denice
Who’s this?

Dagon
Ah, Anders ...Anders Hove.

Denice
OH! …oh…you mean in real life?

Dagon
Yeah.

Denice
Oh. Yeah, there’s a … SURE. He’s a volatile artist and human …definitely. (amused chuckle)

Dagon
And THAT seems to come across on camera too. There’s that love/hate thing between the characters too.

Denice
Yeah, I know. Definitely, going to work was an easy gig in that respect.

Dagon
And your character, not all super sweet. You also want to learn from him, you don’t just want to get away from him even though you do. You want information from him at the same time…and bla, bla, bla (laugh) Which one is YOUR favorite?

Denice
Two.

Dagon
Two is your favorite?

Denice
Two, yeah, because she does quite a big development.

Dagon
Yeah now, it had to be really hard for you. Or maybe it wasn’t. Because #1 was super popular and everybody really liked it and Michelle was set in a lot of peoples’ minds. Now, you are Michelle but did you have any apprehension taking over for another actress.

Denice
Well I didn’t know how popular the first one was. I had never even heard of it. I knew nothing about it. I mean I went out and rented it but I didn’t know the coattails I was following.

Dagon
Right.

Denice
I didn’t even know the popularity of this until the third one came out and I got all this email and be asked to go to conventions and stuff like that…

Dagon
It seems to me you took the character and made it your own instead of saying, I’m going to be like her for the continuation of the character, luckily for us, it seems to me you took it and made it your own as opposed to saying I’m going to be like her, do you know what I’m saying?

Denice
That I did do that or that I didn’t do that?

Dagon
That you DID.

Denice
Oh……OH! (flattered)

Dagon
To me it’s a good thing…

Denice
I’m thinking that was more Ted Nicolaou, the director, because I didn’t really know what was her other than there was a sweetness and a vulnerability and you know, that I think he just casted properly.

Dagon
Right.

Denice
Although I had originally gone in and read for the part of the sister.

Dagon
Oh really!

Denice
They then had me read for that part.

Dagon
It seems to me that if they wanted to keep the continuity, they would have used who they used for the sister as her … But I’m glad they didn’t because I think you brought more depth to the Michelle character … like I say, like YOU said, she’s mostly goody-goody, and you are goody-goody, but you also have a little bit of , I don’t want to say enjoying it but you wanted to learn the vampire way.

Denice
Yeah, sure, there was a little bit of the dark side.

Dagon
Where Laura Tate, Michelle from the first one, didn’t seem to have that.

Denice
The story didn’t really lend itself to that quite yet.

Dagon
That’s true too.

Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
So it was completely written when you walked into it?

Denice
Yeah.

Dagon
There are a couple real quick questions that have nothing to do with anything. You’re in a few martial arts movies; BLOODFIST V: HUMAN TARGET and MARTAIL LAW II with Cynthia Roth, are you a martial artist?

Denice
Not really, I did do some training. A bit.

Dagon
For the movie?

Denice
Yeah. But prior to that I had done a few classes here and there. Just as a fluke. So I was able do a little bit of a sidekick or whatever I think they needed me to do on the audition and then I went and did a little more training. But as it turned out I didn’t really need to do much of anything because they didn’t want me sort of overshadowing Don The Dragon Wilson but…

Dagon
Martial arts movies have got to be fun.

Denice
Oh yeah. I mean, it’s not as fun as a horror film.

Dagon
Right. Although, you can have a sword fight in a horror movie.

Denice
Oh yeah, that’s in part FIVE.

Dagon
Is there a SUBSPECIS V in the works?

Denice
No. It’s got to be filmed first, but it’s written.

Dagon
Oh, it is? And there’s a sword fight?

Denice
Oh yeah.

Dagon
That you’re going to be sword fighting in it?

Denice
Ahhh… I can’t remember that, I don’t think so.

Dagon
Ok.

Denice
But they are in the film.

Dagon
And they’re getting ready to film it?

Denice
Yeah, they’re getting ready.

Dagon
They’re looking for funding or whatever?

Denice
Yes.

Dagon
And it’s going to be a Full Moon production?

Denice
Well Charlie has to be part of it.

Dagon
Right, the characters are his. Is Ted Nicolaou going to direct it?

Denice
Definitely.

Dagon
Well, that’s another whole conversation …good Lord. What’s your sign?

Denice
July 1st. I’m a Cancer.

Dagon
CANCER. Alright. How about your favorite color?

Denice
My favorite color is any of the purple shades.

Dagon
PURPLE! I LOVE it (Also, Dagon’s favorite color …besides black) Very Vampyric.

Denice
It’s funny, when I was a little girl, apparently that was Michael Jackson’s favorite color.

Dagon
…and what do you think about all that? (referring of course to the current Jackson Court Case)

Denice
Ah, no comment. What am I going to say, ya know, he’s odd… but an incredible musician … so there you go… a walking dichotomy.

Dagon
He really is …it’s sad all the way around because he is a genius …and it’s just a shame all the way around.

Denice
Yes.

Dagon
Aside from what we were talking about earlier, have you ever experienced something truly supernatural?

Denice
humm……….(giggle) Scientology … in my classes I do (more giddy giggles)

Dagon
You’re a Scientologist?

Denice
Yes. I’ve had some pretty supernatural things happen (laughs)

Dagon
Really?

Denice
Yes. It’s just odd when you… I’m amazed with the whole mind over matter thing. When you put yourself in a really positive frame of mind and really put attention on things you want how…. You get those things. …and when your attention is on stress and problems and bills…you get that!

Dagon
OH, absolutely!

Denice
You know.

Dagon
Visualization is powerful.

Denice
…and some courses I had done for artists there and I thought ‘I have to try this out’ and that’s how I got the Soap, I mean obviously talent takes a play in things but you have to set yourself up for it…

Dagon
There are plenty of people with talent who don’t get those things.

Denice
This is true. It is really what you can create. If you can see it you can be it…you know?

Dagon
Absolutely.

Denice
It just sort of helps you to get rid of people who try to make you feel small and little and squash you as an artist because artists are attacked …

Dagon
You have to have thick skin but at the same time you also to put yourself in a good place.

Denice
Oh yeah, I don’t hide my emotions. You have to just not care so much what people say. And really just flourish and prosper. Who cares …jump on a couch if you’re in love… who cares?! Should we all be numb, quiet idiots? Is that what society wants from us? Give us a drug and make us just sit in a corner?

Dagon
Right. And it’s so much easier to tear things down than it is to build things up. To make something is the ultimate human experience. It’s so much easier to be a critic.

Denice
Oh sure …exactly!

Dagon
To take the high road is tougher much more fulfilling though.

Denice
I know, right. That’s what directing is, it’s a tougher road and it’s very fulfilling and so I hope to do it more.

Dagon
I really, really, really appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

Denice
…sure…sure…

Dagon
Is there anything else you want to mention?

Denice
Just be good humans and follow your dreams.

Dagon
Well, thank you SO much.

Denice
Your Welcome! Have a good night!